i'm about to be rich.....

[SHATOUSHKA]

DING!

[GravyTrain]

I think i might get in on this too. Seems pretty risk free if you as me.

[SHATOUSHKA]

whoa gravy.... didn't know you were carrying some eggs

welcome to the club! [img]graemlins/thumbs_up.gif[/img]

[Cyalaytr]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=2 face="Tempus Sans ITC, Tahoma">quote:</font><table border="0" width="90%" bgcolor="#333333" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="0"><tr><td width="100%"><table border="0" width="100%" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="2" bgcolor="#FF9900"><tr><td width="100%" bgcolor="#000000"><font size=2 face="Tempus Sans ITC, Tahoma">Originally posted by shatzy:
DING!</font></td></tr></table></td></tr></table></BLOCKQUOTE>


WOW Shatzy, I am not sure if you are kid-ing or not but that seems a bit far out there. I mean reading your posts and seeing which topics bug you and which ones spike interest and which ones are controversial I would have imagined you being a person against giving up your eggs. HMM I will have to think of particular postings in which brought me to this conclusion.

Coming from a spilt screwed up family and never knowing my real dad I can imagine the emptiness of a donor child. Not that I am against it as I have never been in a situtation where I was unable to have kids... and having the one I have now I could never think of not having him. But still I invision you arguing some nature of the ethics or morals behind it as opposed to the end product.

So now that it is brought up... would you ... could you do that, especially if it was for money?? Wow that should have been one of my test questions, We would have really threw everyone off in why they thought I picked those questions.

CYA

[img]eek.gif[/img]

<font color="#ac0000" size="1">[ April 11, 2003 07:56 PM: Message edited by: Cyalaytr ]</font>

[zelazny]

Hmmm, beware though, i remember some cases in scandinavia where sperm donors had equivalent protection in the sense anonimity.
However a law was passed that said that all children of a certain age (12/16/18, not quite sure anymore, one of those three) had the right to know who their biological parents where.
Later on a mother of a child also sued the donor for alimony, being the biological father. She won.


And on a lighter note:
can i sell sperm too? I have a few million of those rascalls.
(And to be honest, i'm sort of.. dunno, not so much wierded out as in i feel a bit of worry for this, i mean, 6 weeks of hormon injections will really screw up your mood / hormon levels)

[SHATOUSHKA]

you are all overlooking a basic element here....

honesty


how much it too much? how much is voluntary
and how much is imposing?

its one of those 'right to know' issues.
i'm not sure if all of you checked the site,
but there is a rigorous examination for donors...
not only in the physical examination (going back
3 generations)... but also in the mental.

if you checked out the donor application, they
ask about your skintone and hair color and blah
blah blah... which i think could be worth a
topic post of its own -- simply because it begs
the question:

is that information used so that the possible
future child is more similar to the parents (genetically)?
or is that information used so that the possible
future child is built to the specifications of
the parents (like a doll)?

but anyway... back to my first tangent...
its not about anonymnity, its about 'right to
know'. assuming a parent from this service
selects a donor based on similar genetic traits,
then the question of 'confessing' to the child
is apparent. why tell the child at all?

if the answer is: 'because possible future
medical complications blah blah blah....'
then that is stupid.
the donor had already gone through rigorous
medical background. all the info is there.
if its a physical/medical anomaly that occurs,
even still, it is insignificant that the
child/person need to know that they are not
genetically matched.

it seems as though people have, imo, a farked
idea of ethics and morals when it comes to
issues like this (and cloning and stem cell
research)....

personally, i would rather sell my eggs to go
for cultivation of stem cells... rather than
let the egg incubate itself within the womb
of an infertile couple.... but thats just me.

perhaps i am monstrous.
i have no sympathy for the psychological
bearings of a child that was 'born' through
its mother... only to be told later that he
isn't hers. thats cruel to me... but also
highly insignificant.

had it been in the bible, it would have been
an act of god that the parents were suddenly
in conception... and the child would feel
*probably* good about himself and the situation
surrounding his conception.

i have no pity for a person born in this world.
it is a fair circumstance...

[Cyalaytr]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=2 face="Tempus Sans ITC, Tahoma">quote:</font><table border="0" width="90%" bgcolor="#333333" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="0"><tr><td width="100%"><table border="0" width="100%" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="2" bgcolor="#FF9900"><tr><td width="100%" bgcolor="#000000"><font size=2 face="Tempus Sans ITC, Tahoma">Originally posted by shatzy:
all VERY GOOD POINTS!!!! [img]graemlins/thumbs_up.gif[/img]

personally, i don't care either way. [img]tongue.gif[/img]
i don't care if a couple is infertile and i don't
care if people are wanting to sell eggs for $5K
(no matter the reason).

i am cynical... this is no surprise to alot
of people here... tee hee.</font></td></tr></table></td></tr></table></BLOCKQUOTE>


Ouch I wasnt aware that they had to wait that long. Where as if you donate sperm or blood you get money right away I believe.

We still love ya anyway Shatzy ;-)

CYA

<font color="#ac0000" size="1">[ April 12, 2003 05:15 PM: Message edited by: Cyalaytr ]</font>

[Megsy]

If you get rich, please move up here. And bring my luscious little tastin good wif you!

[Cyalaytr]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=2 face="Tempus Sans ITC, Tahoma">quote:</font><table border="0" width="90%" bgcolor="#333333" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="0"><tr><td width="100%"><table border="0" width="100%" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="2" bgcolor="#FF9900"><tr><td width="100%" bgcolor="#000000"><font size=2 face="Tempus Sans ITC, Tahoma">Originally posted by shatzy:
you are all overlooking a basic element here....

honesty

how much it too much? how much is voluntary
and how much is imposing?</font></td></tr></table></td></tr></table></BLOCKQUOTE>


Bait, set, hook! So I am confused here. Did you post the topic in the hopes of seeing if people agreed to the idea of donor eggs, or did you post it in the hopes of everyone not agreeing with it and opening it for debate of right vs wrong? Or to rant about the morals and ethics of a people who seem to care more for an unborn being then they usually do for their own kids?

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=2 face="Tempus Sans ITC, Tahoma">quote:</font><table border="0" width="90%" bgcolor="#333333" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="0"><tr><td width="100%"><table border="0" width="100%" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="2" bgcolor="#FF9900"><tr><td width="100%" bgcolor="#000000"><font size=2 face="Tempus Sans ITC, Tahoma">
its one of those 'right to know' issues.
i'm not sure if all of you checked the site,
but there is a rigorous examination for donors...
not only in the physical examination (going back
3 generations)... but also in the mental.</font></td></tr></table></td></tr></table></BLOCKQUOTE>

And all of this being provided by an open medical history report?? As we all know if people are willing enough to lie on an aplication for a gun, a star search chance, clinton about not having sexual relations... what would keep them from lying to make a quick buck. Greed and lies is often fueled by money.. if not more so.

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=2 face="Tempus Sans ITC, Tahoma">quote:</font><table border="0" width="90%" bgcolor="#333333" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="0"><tr><td width="100%"><table border="0" width="100%" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="2" bgcolor="#FF9900"><tr><td width="100%" bgcolor="#000000"><font size=2 face="Tempus Sans ITC, Tahoma">
if you checked out the donor application, they
ask about your skintone and hair color and blah
blah blah... which i think could be worth a
topic post of its own -- simply because it begs
the question:

is that information used so that the possible
future child is more similar to the parents (genetically)?
or is that information used so that the possible
future child is built to the specifications of
the parents (like a doll)?</font></td></tr></table></td></tr></table></BLOCKQUOTE>

No more so then why do they print similar info on your drivers lic? Do they really need to know if I have blond hair, green eyes, and white to ride my bike or drive a car? Do they use this info to aid in my safety and such or use it against you. Can't the officer tell what I look like from my picture on the lic?

Another way they do this is with thos grocery id cards that SAVE you money. No they save the store money and you sort of get a discount in the end. You tell them what you buy and how much you spend and when you buy it. And they start only stocking those items at those times and adjust prices accordingly so. So what happens the month you get sick and choose not to buy Cocoa Pebbles? They see sales go down and next thing ya know.. no more Pebbles for you.

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but anyway... back to my first tangent...
its not about anonymnity, its about 'right to
know'. assuming a parent from this service
selects a donor based on similar genetic traits,
then the question of 'confessing' to the child
is apparent. why tell the child at all?</font></td></tr></table></td></tr></table></BLOCKQUOTE>

Only thing I can add here is that throughout time people have been attached to the past. We save everything, keep records, pass down items, write diaries, geneology records, the bible (if you so believe). People in general like to know history. history of the car they buy, house they buy, lover they sleep with, parents they came from. Some people can't just eat the pie and be content.. they must know how it was made and with what items.

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=2 face="Tempus Sans ITC, Tahoma">quote:</font><table border="0" width="90%" bgcolor="#333333" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="0"><tr><td width="100%"><table border="0" width="100%" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="2" bgcolor="#FF9900"><tr><td width="100%" bgcolor="#000000"><font size=2 face="Tempus Sans ITC, Tahoma">
if the answer is: 'because possible future
medical complications blah blah blah....'
then that is stupid.
the donor had already gone through rigorous
medical background. all the info is there.
if its a physical/medical anomaly that occurs,
even still, it is insignificant that the
child/person need to know that they are not
genetically matched. </font></td></tr></table></td></tr></table></BLOCKQUOTE>

Perposerous...Once again, back to the people that may lie or may have fudged on the reports to hide something that would have excluded them from cashing in on the $5,000 ... since a lot of medical problems such as heart problems, alcohol abuse, pregnancy and female problems have a link to your parents....

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=2 face="Tempus Sans ITC, Tahoma">quote:</font><table border="0" width="90%" bgcolor="#333333" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="0"><tr><td width="100%"><table border="0" width="100%" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="2" bgcolor="#FF9900"><tr><td width="100%" bgcolor="#000000"><font size=2 face="Tempus Sans ITC, Tahoma">
it seems as though people have, imo, a farked
idea of ethics and morals when it comes to
issues like this (and cloning and stem cell
research)....

personally, i would rather sell my eggs to go
for cultivation of stem cells... rather than
let the egg incubate itself within the womb
of an infertile couple.... but thats just me.

perhaps i am monstrous.
i have no sympathy for the psychological
bearings of a child that was 'born' through
its mother... only to be told later that he
isn't hers. thats cruel to me... but also
highly insignificant. </font></td></tr></table></td></tr></table></BLOCKQUOTE>

HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM interesting... you say you feel no sympathy for the child yet somehow it sounded like that lack of sympathy was meant for the parents of the child but passed to the child because of the topic.

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=2 face="Tempus Sans ITC, Tahoma">quote:</font><table border="0" width="90%" bgcolor="#333333" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="0"><tr><td width="100%"><table border="0" width="100%" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="2" bgcolor="#FF9900"><tr><td width="100%" bgcolor="#000000"><font size=2 face="Tempus Sans ITC, Tahoma">
had it been in the bible, it would have been
an act of god that the parents were suddenly
in conception... and the child would feel
*probably* good about himself and the situation
surrounding his conception.

i have no pity for a person born in this world.
it is a fair circumstance... [/QB]</font></td></tr></table></td></tr></table></BLOCKQUOTE>

No sympathy.. no pity... Shatzy, you ok? You seem a bit synical this morning like a person who got a flat tire on the way to work and no one offered to stop and offer help. You usually seem happier in your debates an less "personal feelings" attached.

CYA

[img]eek.gif[/img]

[SHATOUSHKA]

all VERY GOOD POINTS!!!! [img]graemlins/thumbs_up.gif[/img]

actually, i'm not sure what my motivation was
in posting the original link. i didn't post it
with the intention of starting a debate...
i think it was just because i had seen the issue
brought up on another board and when i clicked
the link... i found it worth posting over.

i have no doubt that lots of women would lie
for the cause of $5000. but then again, just
because they go through the application process
and are accepted by the company as a possible
donor... doesn't mean that a couple will select
them from the list of potential donors.
in short, their name is put on a list of donors
and they only get paid upon completetion of
the actual donation.

to me, this waiting period is pretty long.
any person set on getting the $5K would have
to be willing to wait... in addition to agreeing
to the process 6 months-a year (maybe more)
after they are on the donor list.

personally, i don't care either way. [img]tongue.gif[/img]
i don't care if a couple is infertile and i don't
care if people are wanting to sell eggs for $5K
(no matter the reason).

i am cynical... this is no surprise to alot
of people here... tee hee.